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ANNOTATION:
This separation of controller from controlled is incoherent
The distinction maintained here between the effects of the controller on the controlled and vice-versa is incoherent.
Controller's state partly consists of the representation of the controlled. This is to say that the controller's state is partly determined by the state of the controlled.
How does this differ from the influence of the controller over the state of the controlled? It is pointless to say that the controller has absolute control over the controlled (ie the controller completely determines the state of the controlled). If so, then in what sense is the controlled a separate system?
The only notion that might work is, loosely, that the controller has "influence" over the controlled.
But how do we make this notion precise? As soon as the state of the controlled is only partly determined by the controller, the relationship seems the same as the influence the controlled has over its representation within the controller. Both determine part of the states of the other.
Perhaps what is needed is a more teleological concept of control.
Author: Francis Heylighen
Date: Nov 2, 2001REPLY: Asymmetry of control
Your comments about the controlled having an influence on the controller, and thus not really being separable from it, are quite fundamental. To really distinguish controller and controlled you need to assume an asymmetry in the control relation, the controller somehow having MORE influence on the controlled than inversely. Such asymmetry can be achieved in different ways. Perhaps the most elegant one was proposed by W.T. Powers in his definition of control.
Author: DAS (davalexs[ at ]hotmail.com)
Date: Feb 20, 2002REPLY: Question
Is the idea of the European Union a memetic construct as a form of control?
From what has been said who ever has the most durable memetic model will be able to control a large group of people for a sustained period of time.
The idea of boom or bust is a fear related control system as well as a real life economic dynamic
Please discuss reply question diagree?!
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